Is Dr. Chung Really wrong?
Kumar
Pls never ever consider me as biased, egoistic and favour to one
inspite his much responses to my posts. It is indicated in general
that GOD is omnipresent and omniscient, I consider and treat
everything and being accordingly or as a modified versin of GOD. So
nothing can be biased and favouratism.
As looks to me, Dr.Chung post for sake of simplicity and for practical
practicings, comparatively persiting and more clear aspects with
lesser possible adversities in view of science is not yet absolute and
final. Most may indicate consitent to "current understandings" but
these may not be consistent, absolute nd final as yet.
About involvement of sprituals an religions, these also exist in mass
and well distributed people al over the world, so can't be irrelavant
abosolutely unless all following these are stupid or ignorrant or
guliable. In healing, one may not deny involvement of energy and
matter.
As such, whether such a mass contradictionis are just a fault,
ignorance, stupidity, ego or pro-non consistent, non-absolute and
incomplete understandings.
Pls guide be accordingly truely with pure heart/brain, unbiased and
unegoistic.
Sorry, If hurt ego of anyone.
Best Wishes.
Dan Barker Rocks!
Translation? Anyone?
Machete
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Not me! It started out weird and then it just got really ugly, although I'm
sure the poster has good intentions, perhaps I am simply not tuned in, it is
nearly 1:30am and I've been up since 5.
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Kumar
How Dr. Andrew B. Chung is wrong as being contradicted here too much?
[if you are new to these groups please ignore this topic or read all
topics]
Machete
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Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey
here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as
for his religious beliefs, people have clearly stated that they are not
interesting in hearing what he has to say, so one has to question his mental
stability given the fact that most Christians, as pious as they may be,
would have left a long time ago and taken their message elsewhere.
Kumar
but how his advices and sayings are deviating from truth?
Kumar
> for his **religious beliefs,
Are *above absolute (free from imperfection) and final or atleast
consistent for prolonged time on which people are trying to express
absolutely? Can't above be questionable and changed or discontinued
with time and new research?
Absolutes and complete can be consider as perfect, true and final.
Every other thing can be questionable, changed, reversed or
discontinued. We do speculate on many understandings which are not yet
become absolute and final...so those can be doubtful. Basing on those
aspect which looks not un-true, simple to follow, and non-harming may
not be wrong otherwise every other aspect can just be trying/
researching with any possibility.
Al
Learn to speak English, or go away. Nobody reads your unintelligible
posts, you cross-posting asshole.
cteas...@gmail.com
> here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as
> for his religious beliefs<<<<<<<<<<<
So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make him
a lousy plumber? Or if he was a cook his cooking would be inferior
too?
Be cross with him for being a Christian by all means, but the
qualification he's passed to become a doctor is the same for
Christians and non-Christians alike. _Your_ government and medical
governing bodies have set a standard of competency to practice
medicine. If you are not happy with this standard, or feel that in
some way being Christian affects a doctor's ability to practice, then
you should raise your concerns with your politicians and medical
governing body.
However, being a Christian simply means that he will have had
'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards,
ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth. So,
many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a
doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue
against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine.
A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these
newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law
you know.
In Christ's love
Carol T
Cary Kittrell
That's quite a valid point: being Christian has no bearing
on one's proficiency as a doctor. You are entirely correct.
Now, let me you ask you, if I may, your opinion on the
appropriateness -- either from a Christian viewpoint
or from a medical one -- of advising someone:
Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. [1]
Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both
from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You?
-- cary
[1] http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14974ef5841a9a12?dmode=source&hl=en
Machete
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Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, are you that
ignorant?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This was not advice but instead a factual statement.
> Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both
> from a theological and a cardiological perspective.
Truth is unsettling for the untruthful.
> You?
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ appreciate prayers on our behalf
made in our LORD's name.
> -- cary
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
habshi
christ being non existent god , could do the same.
So if he didnt , he is a masochist not worth worshipping , and
if he did , then he didnt suffer for our sins at all ,and so again not
worth worshipping. If the religious nuts use the hours each day they
spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better
and less annoying humans
SB
But after all it must be true since he read it in a book, much more
believable than TV.
Father Haskell
wrote:
>
> So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make
> him a lousy plumber?
>From my experience, from all the "previous plumber's" work
I've had to set straight, that's generally the case.
SB
But it must be true since he read it in a book, much more reliable
than TV.
cteas...@gmail.com
Dear Cary,
I always know when people have stopped praying for me, I think just as
Jesus must have known it was time for Him to die. In the same way
Andrew and other Christians know when they are being prayed for. I
even know when people are actually praying or distracted by, say, the
washing up. A prayer for a non Christian is like taking someone's
hand, walking them along the road towards God and presenting them.
Perhaps a little like stewarding people towards the Lord's table for a
feast.
>>>>> Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You?<<<<<<<,
No, it's a pronouncement that the caring and compassion for your soul
(the spiritual side of yourself, that side which breathed life into
you) has ended. It's not unsettling for a Christian at all; there are
times when we have to concede that someone would rather go towards
Hell because they have made an active choice to be with the
antichrist.
I know the length of Andrew's prayer list, just as I know the true
value of each and every prayer. You see, the burden and the cross is
this weight of your life, well being and soul brought before God.
Do you expect Andrew to stop praying for you? Even some of the most
ardent opponents of Christianity are disturbed at the proposal that
they have put themselves beyond a prayer of salvation. Even the
Devil's own advocates have more than their fair share of prayers and
know that they do. Consider the man who sinks to the lowest pit in
despair, who calls the loudest against God because he feels that he is
not being heard, really his soul is calling out for prayers to those
who truly care because of Christ.
Medically it's not relevant as Andrew has chosen as his partner in
healing the man who gave up His life for us, God's only Son, The Lord
Jesus Christ. He is above 'all' things in heaven and on earth.
If you know nothing else about Andrew, you will always know that he
has been humbled before the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore is
strengthened by him too.
Personally I would thank Andrew for his prayer list if he is praying
for you, at least you know at least one humbled person has a God whom
he knows beyond all doubt is 'more' than he is. In this world today
that is an honor with no comparison as there are far too few God
fearing men in this world fueling their own egos.
What I find a smidge bit troubling is that one sentence "Your heart
would stop beating if I stopped praying for you." it tells me a great
deal about the state of the soul of the individual who is in need of
the prayer as Andrew will have said it with malice, he is too much in
fear of God to do such a thing. Therefore things must be dire,
spiritual death must be imminent and certainly physical death will
follow very soon after this.
Our flesh does not follow the soul to its place of eternity.
God Bless
Carol T
cteas...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>Yeah and Britney Spears is a good mother. This is the usenet, are you that
> ignorant?<<<<<<
The law protects a professional's integrity; this is because to reach
a certain standard educationally it has taken many years of study and
examination. This law is for your own protection too; as it would
afford you the same level of respect had you earned it in the same
way.
It's a sociological construct that we live by to protect us all, not
just Andrew. It is actually a construct that virtually all societies
in the world live by. If you want it changed you have to challenge the
notion politically. Professional integrity is taken very seriously by
academics everywhere, you don't really want to test it in court, you
_will_ lose.
Becoming habitual in making derogatory comments might end up
backfiring on someone as not everyone is as tolerant as Andrew has
been.
I am just pointing out to you all that being a Christian does not make
Andrew's medical skills and knowledge any less. It has always been
'his' call to allow others to say so freely and sometimes with such
distain for his working practice too. It has always been _his_ call to
suffer it for the sake of Christ. Therefore anyone who has 'suggested'
his medical skills are substandard has been served up a great deal of
God's grace todate.
In Christ's love
Carol T
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cteas...@gmail.com
said it 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice.
cteas...@gmail.com
> ignorant?<<<<<<<<<<
BTW, I will be the first to say so if I see the medical profession do
something collectively that has harmed or is about to harm others,
including myself.
Father Haskell
He probably stopped feeling pain ten minutes after they
started stomping him. Nice slow, even build to endorphin
saturation. The mellow way you feel after running five miles
is how he felt.
Machete
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First of all, there is no need to cover the education one has to receive and
the commitment involved in becoming a physician, my father is a doctor, as
is my uncle and my grandfather was also a doctor. Secondly, Chung is
practicing medicine over the internet, something that would most probably
not hold up well in a court room. Above and beyond that, he continues to
preach and is attempting to spread the word even though the vast majority of
people here have stated that they are not interesting in his pulpit, much
less the words of Christ and biblical prophecy. If he were simply giving
out medical advice and leaving it at that, I'm quite sure people would be
much more tolerant and appreciative. Lastly, in most cases, the usenet
defines anonymity, a person can be whatever he/she chooses to be and it
would probably be quite difficult to track down anyone who would be
suspected of actually damaging Chung's career, this is clearly not happening
here though.
People are simply upset because of the above mentioned, not because Chung is
a Christian doctor giving out medical advice. My own Cardiologist has
ascertained much of his advice to be quackery, after I discussed some of the
statements made by Chung and the advice he's given out. Of course, this is
simply an opinion of my doctor and everyone IS entitled to their opinion as
well as freedom of speach!
I myself have nothing against Christians who want to spread the word as I am
a bit more tolerant than some but there is a time and place for it, the
usenet is not the place. At least, not in this group. If you doubt this,
read the past two or three hundred messages Chung has posted, people are
upset as a result and he simply ignores them and does not respect people's
wishes.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have
> said it 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice.
The joy that is in the heart of my soul as I read what the Holy Spirit
had guided you to write makes perfect all that is imperfect in this
world :-)
Let us continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors who have
been convicted by HIM:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much
more, dear sister Carol whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in HIS amazing love,
I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!
SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST MOTHER FUCKERS!
Sybarite
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you. [1]<<<<<<<<
>
> Dear Cary,
>
> I always know when people have stopped praying for me, I think just as
> Jesus must have known it was time for Him to die. In the same way
> Andrew and other Christians know when they are being prayed for. I
> even know when people are actually praying or distracted by, say, the
> washing up. A prayer for a non Christian is like taking someone's
> hand, walking them along the road towards God and presenting them.
> Perhaps a little like stewarding people towards the Lord's table for a
> feast.
It isn't if we don't know whether you are praying, nor what you are
praying about if you are. A Christian on the other side of the earth
that I haven't had any contact with other than him (or her) knowing
I'm an atheist and is now praying for me will not affect me in the
slightest. If I knew, I may be touched by the gesture, but all in all,
I will be largely unaffected.
> >>>>> Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both from a theological and a cardiological perspective. You?<<<<<<<,
>
> No, it's a pronouncement that the caring and compassion for your soul
> (the spiritual side of yourself, that side which breathed life into
> you) has ended. It's not unsettling for a Christian at all; there are
> times when we have to concede that someone would rather go towards
> Hell because they have made an active choice to be with the
> antichrist.
So... Wait? You're saying that if Dr Chung were to stop praying for
us, our hearts really would stop. How about he stops for a minute, and
sees what happens? If people's hearts really do stop, then he should
start praying for them.
And also, it's not really a choice as to what religion you believe in.
You can't suddenly decided "Oh, I'm going to be a militant islamic
fundamentalist today. Oh bugger, there's the cops! Duck!". Conversion
is made through means other than choice. You may like to think there
is a choice, but 90% of people believe in the same religion as their
parents.
> I know the length of Andrew's prayer list, just as I know the true
> value of each and every prayer. You see, the burden and the cross is
> this weight of your life, well being and soul brought before God.
The value of prayer is nil, in reality and theologically. Firstly,
prayer has no affect on people who don't know about it. For people who
do know they are being prayed for, they will have slightly lower
stress levels (or slightly higher, depending on the sort of person...
You may feel that if you die, you're letting alot more people down
than normal), and perhaps a placebo effect.
Secondly, God is omniscient. He already knows what you will be praying
for before you do it. You are not telling him anything new. He also
knows what he is going to do, and praying will not change that.
> Do you expect Andrew to stop praying for you? Even some of the most
> ardent opponents of Christianity are disturbed at the proposal that
> they have put themselves beyond a prayer of salvation. Even the
> Devil's own advocates have more than their fair share of prayers and
> know that they do. Consider the man who sinks to the lowest pit in
> despair, who calls the loudest against God because he feels that he is
> not being heard, really his soul is calling out for prayers to those
> who truly care because of Christ.
Who actually worship's Satan? Do you know of anyone who says "I'm a
Satan worshipper! I dance around fires naked and drink chicken blood!"
or anything like that? No. If you believe in Satan, you believe in
God, and it's stated throughout most of the Bible that God is more
powerful than Satan.
Secondly, I actually think communities and churches receive vastly
more prayers than I do. I don't think I've ever received any personal
ones.
> Medically it's not relevant as Andrew has chosen as his partner in
> healing the man who gave up His life for us, God's only Son, The Lord
> Jesus Christ. He is above 'all' things in heaven and on earth.
It's also irrelevent that just because he is a Doctor, we should take
his word for it that God exists.
If the majority of Christians had their way, then diseases would still
be caused by breathing in daemons.
> If you know nothing else about Andrew, you will always know that he
> has been humbled before the Lord Jesus Christ and therefore is
> strengthened by him too.
And he has also been made remarkably arrogant on this newsgroup.
> Personally I would thank Andrew for his prayer list if he is praying
> for you, at least you know at least one humbled person has a God whom
> he knows beyond all doubt is 'more' than he is. In this world today
> that is an honor with no comparison as there are far too few God
> fearing men in this world fueling their own egos.
Psh. What? 2.1 billion Christians? Yeah. Far too few God fearing men.
Well, 900 million if you discount the Catholics.
> What I find a smidge bit troubling is that one sentence "Your heart
> would stop beating if I stopped praying for you." it tells me a great
> deal about the state of the soul of the individual who is in need of
> the prayer as Andrew will have said it with malice, he is too much in
> fear of God to do such a thing. Therefore things must be dire,
> spiritual death must be imminent and certainly physical death will
> follow very soon after this.
*without malice
Are you willing to experiment? I'll offer myself up for this test.
Andrew will stop praying for me specifically, and I will count the
number of days I die, and send you guys a letter or post it up on this
newgroup.
> Our flesh does not follow the soul to its place of eternity.
Once you show there is a soul, then I'll concede this point.
> God Bless
> Carol T
May you have the blessings of Zeus, Jupiter, Allah, the great Buddha,
Ra, Thor, Eastre, and Ba'al.
And much love from me.
Kumar
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Those who likes do understand, those who don't, no use to discuss with
them.
God
<1172113573.8...@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> A Christian on the other side of the earth
> that I haven't had any contact with other than him (or her) knowing
> I'm an atheist and is now praying for me will not affect me in the
> slightest. If I knew, I may be touched by the gesture, but all in all,
> I will be largely unaffected.
[Thick, black clouds gather]
[Wildlife goes silent]
[Skies darken]
[Lightning flashes]
[Thunder rumbles]
[Earth quakes]
[Clouds part slightly]
[Huge foot descends onto Sybarite's head]
<SQUELCH!>
If anyone asks why you look like a lump of strawberry jam dropped onto the
footpath, tell them "God did it".
[turns aside]
Ok, Michelle Malkin, I've answered your prayers. Are you still going to stop
screwing every man in town for a whole week, you ugly fat slut?
--
I am The Great I Am.
platothelapdog
>
> This was not advice but instead a factual statement.
>
> > Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both
> > from a theological and a cardiological perspective.
>
> Truth is unsettling for the untruthful.
>
> > You?
>
> The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ appreciate prayers on our behalf
> made in our LORD's name.
>
> > -- cary
>
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Andrew <><
> --
>
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If there was a ANY way to contact the local state Mediacl board to
point out how your religion has clouded reasonable judgement I would.
No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they
think people die from alack of prayer, I could only hope they would
revoke your pratice, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your
crazy ass ideas and beliefs.
GaryG
news:1172090754....@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to
convey
> > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best,
as
> > for his religious beliefs<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make him
> a lousy plumber? Or if he was a cook his cooking would be inferior
> too?
>
> Be cross with him for being a Christian by all means, but the
> qualification he's passed to become a doctor is the same for
> Christians and non-Christians alike. _Your_ government and medical
> governing bodies have set a standard of competency to practice
> medicine. If you are not happy with this standard, or feel that in
> some way being Christian affects a doctor's ability to practice, then
> you should raise your concerns with your politicians and medical
> governing body.
>
> However, being a Christian simply means that he will have had
> 'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards,
> ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth.
So, what? Many Catholic priests had advanced training in those subjects,
and yet they still molested young men and women sexually. Just because one
professes to be a Christian doesn't mean that person can't also be a child
molester, or suffer from mental illness.
In Chung's case, it seems likely that he is suffering from some form of
delusion...imagining that he can stop someone's heart, imagining that he's
God's "messenger", imagining that he solved the "riddle of the seals",
imagining that there will be a "global earthquake", imagining that there
will be a "nuclear exchange", his obsession with global death and
destruction and "the end of the world", etc., etc., etc.
> So,
> many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a
> doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue
> against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine.
Chung's obsessions and mental state have already cost him the only job he
ever held, and his "practice" is virtually non-existant (he has no hospital
privileges...for a cardiologist). Clearly, his "faith" (expressed through
his hyper-religious, incessant postings on usenet) have not helped his
career as a cardiologist.
GG
GaryG
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No need to worry...Chung was fired in less than 90 days from the only job he
ever held, has no admitting privileges to hospitals in Georgia, and his
"practice" is virtually non-existant.
GG
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> point out how your religion has clouded reasonable judgement I would.
Christianity is not a religion but a relation with the risen Christ
Jesus.
> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they
> think people die from alack of prayer
Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying.
"The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit.
Amen.
>, I could only hope they would
> revoke your pratice
Without the LORD, your hope is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your
> crazy ass ideas and beliefs.
The mortal wound you have is self-inflicted.
Truth is simple.
This victory belongs to the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, Whom I
love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Reverently fear GOD and dread nothing (especially death) that is of
this world:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ so much
more, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Father Haskell
>
> This was not advice but instead a factual statement.
>
> > Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both
> > from a theological and a cardiological perspective.
>
> Truth is unsettling for the untruthful.
They're the words of a 19th century voodoo priest, not a
21st century medical professional.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
You may possibly only have until 03.03.07 to make this wise choice
before the world as you know it is destroyed:
"Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and
repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you
will not know at what time I will come to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
(Revelation 03:03)
Amen.
Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister
wrote:
Everything Earthquack does is motivated by malice. Praying for those
who do not share your choice to believe something you can never know
is malicious, and if it is a death cult (e.g. Christianity) that you
believe in, it is extremely malicious.
You probably didn't notice that your messages had been crossposted to
alt.atheism, and you almost certainly won't want to hang around here,
unless you are as mentally disturbed as Earthquack is.
Pastor Kutchie
wrote:
> >>>>>>> Still having difficulty trying to ascertain what you're trying to convey
> > here??? Chung is Chung and his medical advice is questionable at best, as
> > for his religious beliefs<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> So, if he was a plumber then being a Christian would somehow make him
> a lousy plumber? Or if he was a cook his cooking would be inferior
> too?
>
Medical advice and practice in the modern world owe everything to
science, so reference to religion (in truth, the two really are
mutually exclusive) must detract from the efficacy thereof. You can
learn plumbing or cooking by rote, but to be a good doctor, you must
be able to use objective judgement informed by scientific
understanding. Chung has abandoned scientific understanding in favour
of superstition and his own brand of voodoo.
> Be cross with him for being a Christian by all means, but the
> qualification he's passed to become a doctor is the same for
> Christians and non-Christians alike. _Your_ government and medical
> governing bodies have set a standard of competency to practice
> medicine.
Indeed, and if Chung were to try and practice here in the UK, his feet
wouldn't touch the ground.
> If you are not happy with this standard, or feel that in
> some way being Christian affects a doctor's ability to practice, then
> you should raise your concerns with your politicians and medical
> governing body.
>
He's not just a Christian, he's a god-botherer. Not the same thing.
Being a god-botherer reflects upon his mental state, and his
intelligence.
> However, being a Christian simply means that he will have had
> 'additional and on going training in practicing to God's standards,
> ethics, morality, human relationships, compassion and so forth. So,
> many people consider that the standard he has reached (to become a
> doctor) has been enhanced by his faith. You can of course argue
> against this enhancement, but _not_ his ability to practice medicine.
>
His ability to practice medicine is completely compromised by his
abandonment of his medical career, and his inability to tell the truth
about anything.
> A less tolerant person may have taken a number of people in these
> newsgroups to court by now. Even a Christian is protected by the law
> you know.
>
> In Christ's love
> Carol T
If Chung wants to be protected by the law, he needs to stop breaking
it.
Mark K. Bilbo
(in article <1172097126.1...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
> Subject: Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The self-embarrassing behavior
> of those convicted by the Holy Spirit.
> From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com>
> Date: 2/21/07 4:32 PM
> Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, sci.med, sci.med.nutrition, alt.atheism,
> alt.usenet.kooks
No, that's evidence of mental illness...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
Mark K. Bilbo
(in article <1172118859.2...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>):
There is. His license is from the state of Georgia...
Mark K. Bilbo
(in article <1172104492.2...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>):
> Subject: Re: Is Dr. Chung Really wrong?
> From: "cteas...@gmail.com" <cteas...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2/21/07 6:34 PM
> Newsgroups: alt.atheism, sci.med.cardiology, sci.med, sci.med.nutrition,
> alt.usenet.kooks
>
> Sorry Andrew, I did of course over edit, I meant that you would have said it
> 'WITHOUT' malice, not with malice.
No, "with malice" is correct. Chunk doesn't do anything without malice...
cteas...@gmail.com
<nuniagodd...@bizniz.biz> wrote:
>>>> your both god damn fruit cakes.<<<<
Dear Sir,
You have such an unholy disposition reflecting into our world, the
foulness is from within yourself not others and it is defiling you.
Your choice to leave it in a public place simply reflects a lack of
care for this world and the children in it. What ever it is that is
causing you to be distressed or depressed, or filling you with despair
and darkness may it be resolved soon for the sake of your own health
and others.
cteas...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they
> think people die from alack of prayer,t -<<<<<<<
I don't think you have any idea how many doctors and doctors-to-be
stand in churches on Sundays saying prayers. It seems that they
believe in divine intervention and that prayers keep people alive too.
Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister
Pastor Kutchie
wrote:
The foulness is in the dishonesty and arrogance of those who worship
the corpse-on-a-stick, pretend it's reality and judge others according
to whether or not they are similarly deluded.
I KILLED YOUR GOD....IT WAS EASY!
<cteas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172149620.8...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
GO SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST!
the_Host
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1172150999.5...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
Well we have found out Pastor Kutchie's God...
Host.
the_Host
"I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!" <nuniag...@bizniz.biz> wrote in message
news:VK-dnVKWtf__bUHY...@giganews.com...
> your both god damn fruit cakes.
>
> SUCK THE COCK OF CHRIST MOTHER FUCKERS!
>
>
Lol.
At least you can come up with a different put-down you brain-dead Atheist.
whatajoke.
H.
I KILLED YOUR GOD....IT WAS EASY!
"the_Host" <the_...@everywhere.net> wrote in message
news:86b03$45dda9d0$4088c657$66...@EVERESTKC.NET...
GO SUCK YOUR DEAD GOD'S COCK.
IS THAT BETTER YA BRAIN DEAD LOONY TOON?
Robibnikoff
<cteas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172101614....@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you.
>>>>>>>>>> [1]<<<<<<<<
>
>
> I always know when people have stopped praying for me,
Really? Is that when the voices in your head clam up?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
OREO Jackson
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
"Jesus does anal." John 16:3
Jade
OREO Jackson
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
Jesus is dead. You want to have relations with the rotted corpse of
Jesus.
>> No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they
>> think people die from alack of prayer
>
>Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying.
>
>"The wages of sin is death." -- Holy Spirit.
This will be remembered and laughed about when you die.
>
>Amen.
>
>>, I could only hope they would
>> revoke your pratice
>
>Without the LORD, your hope is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>>, so you will never EVER harm anyone with your
>> crazy ass ideas and beliefs.
>
>The mortal wound you have is self-inflicted.
>
>Truth is simple.
Yes it is:
Dr. Andrew Chung is a fraud and a kook.
Jade
Cary Kittrell
Well then, as you do not sin, you needn't make any funeral
arrangements.
-- cary
Bill M
<cteas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172149620.8...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
Pure nonsense!
His side is the back side.
Hatter
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
some of his usual gibberish
Then Her side is the left side? I didn't know who got which side of
the bed was sex segregated.
Hatter
Tdub
posed in response to your previous post? You act like all nutty people
(including nutty Christians, not all Christians), including Chung, in
that you are not rational, you can't carry on a rational conversation
with people, you're mind is fuzzy, and that is what leads you to
strange ideas in general (not just the Christian stuff). If you want
to talk about fuzzy, nutty things then why don't you do it in forums
of this type (not sci.med.cardiology), like those addressing
mysticism, religion, fables and other unfounded beliefs.
Robibnikoff
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C202E46C...@news.giganews.com...
Holy crap, he's totally around the bend. Wow.
Robibnikoff
<cteas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172150278.3...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Who gives a crap what they believe? The evidence proves otherwise.
Cary Kittrell
Um, actually Carol did give me a reply, and one of considerable
length at that. (which length accounts for the fact that I
haven't yet had a time to write an adequate response to it)
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> > Why haven't you answered Cary Kattrell's question, a reasoned question
> > posed in response to your previous post? You act like all nutty people
> > (including nutty Christians, not all Christians), including Chung, in
> > that you are not rational, you can't carry on a rational conversation
> > with people, you're mind is fuzzy, and that is what leads you to
> > strange ideas in general (not just the Christian stuff). If you want
> > to talk about fuzzy, nutty things then why don't you do it in forums
> > of this type (not sci.med.cardiology), like those addressing
> > mysticism, religion, fables and other unfounded beliefs.
>
> Um, actually Carol did give me a reply, and one of considerable
> length at that.
QED
(see subject line)
Robibnikoff
<cteas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh, my fucking goodness. Wave your embroidered hanky at him and maybe he'll
go away.
Robibnikoff
"Hatter" <Hatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I always thought the side closest to the bedroom door was the "Her" side.
Cary Kittrell
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>
>
> "Hatter" <Hatt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1172163131....@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> >
> > some of his usual gibberish
> >
> >
> > Then Her side is the left side? I didn't know who got which side of
> > the bed was sex segregated.
>
> I always thought the side closest to the bedroom door was the "Her" side.
In my bedroom it's the side which has the cat stairs.
-- cary
Charlotte L. Blackmer
That's not the same as what Chung is saying.
Chung's saying that only his prayers are keeping healthy people (who
are not his patients) alive.
This is completely wack from both a scientific and a spiritual
perspective.
Charlotte
(born-again, tithing, church-going Christian, and yes, there are MDs,
nurses, and pre-meds in my congregation)
--
Hatter
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Opposite in my house. She's afraid of ghosts coming up the stairs. She
realizes her irrationalness, but it still makes it hard for her to
sleep.
Hatter
Robibnikoff
> On Feb 22, 1:50 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1172163131....@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Feb 21, 7:56 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> > <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>
>> > some of his usual gibberish
>>
>> > Then Her side is the left side? I didn't know who got which side of
>> > the bed was sex segregated.
>>
>> I always thought the side closest to the bedroom door was the "Her" side.
>
> realizes her irrationalness, but it still makes it hard for her to
> sleep.
Hmmm, interesting. Then again, I won't do laundry at night when I've been
watching horror movies. I mean, I know there's nothing bad in the basement
besides the nasty dump my cat just took in the litter box, but I still get a
bad case of the heebie jeebies ;)
I'd heard that most women slept by the bedroom door as they're usually the
ones that get up in the middle of the night when their children call out.
Then again, I slept on that side long before I had a husband or child.
Hatter
>
> - Show quoted text -
She hates my basement too. Considers it "creepy" and apparently some
poeple agree with her. I'm not exactly sure why, but apparently it
looks "horror movie set" like.
Hatter
Robibnikoff
>
> She hates my basement too. Considers it "creepy" and apparently some
> poeple agree with her. I'm not exactly sure why, but apparently it
> looks "horror movie set" like.
Cool! When one of my SILs showed us their new house (prior to the major
renovation done by her husband), when I first saw the basement, I said "Wow!
This looks like it came straight out of "The Blair Witch Project"!" :)
Hatter
>
Actually, I'm glad, overall, I didn't get the house that actually had
some graves in the basement. I was rather surprised the homeowner
pointed them out. Sure it sounds cool, but people might get creeped
out and not want to come over. Not to mention the difficulties
involved if you want to renovate it/dig it out. I REALLY wanted the
funeral home that was for sale a few doors down from where I did buy,
but two banks were arguing over who has the deed. They finally split
it back into two homes and the renovations RUINED it. It went from a
dark grey castle to beige and light and airy. Some gay couple bought
it back then and sold it recently for a 100K profit.
There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room
was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big
steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a
nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor.
Hatter
Hatter
Parsifal
wrote:
> neighbor platothelapdog wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > This was not advice but instead a factual statement.
>
> > > > from a theological and a cardiological perspective.
>
> > > Truth is unsettling for the untruthful.
>
> > > > You?
>
> > > The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ appreciate prayers on our behalf
> > > made in our LORD's name.
>
> > > > -- cary
>
> > > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> > If there was a ANY way to contact the local state Mediacl board to
> > point out how your religion has clouded reasonable judgement I would.
>
> Christianity is not a religion but a relation with the risen Christ
> Jesus.
>
>
> Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying.
OK, until now, I thought you were amusing.
Now, you're plain repulsive. You mean that children, women, civilians
who die in Iraq BECAUSE OF AMERICANS are dying because of their sins?
Read this, bastard: I hope you soon die from a horrible disease that
makes you suffer a lot. We'll see if you prayers help you.
harmony
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:45dcd4b1...@news.clara.net...
> Even bulls can turn off pain nerves when under stress.
> christ being non existent god , could do the same.
> So if he didnt , he is a masochist not worth worshipping , and
> if he did , then he didnt suffer for our sins at all ,and so again not
> worth worshipping. If the religious nuts use the hours each day they
> spend praying , in more productive activitis they would be much better
> and less annoying humans
the religious nuts are not really unproductive, they contribute to the gnp.
the central idea of kirastanism is indeed to annoy others with the holier
than dow stuff into donating money. they don't stop there either, they annoy
the govt too; their earnings are taxfree.
habshi
they teach passivity and helplessness and belief in an after life of
hedonistic pleasure .
What if a comet was heading our way and threatened to destroy
all human life on our planet mummy earth ? People like would waste
time praying , while what is needed is nukes and other means to save
earth and send some to the moon beforehand.
The Hindus pleaded with Shiva at Somnath , the Jews to Jehovah
in the gas chambers , the Armenian Xtians to the Xtian god and so on ,
even Christ pleaded with his father God not to forsake him , but in
all cases it didnt do them any good as God does not exist.
Far better to accept that we are the only intelligent beings
probably in the whole Universe and have an awesome responsibility not
to waste time in pointless prayers and not kill fellow humans in
Jihads.
Btw if Andrew believes in God and Christ and Gabriel , he must
also believe in Adam and Eve. Now who did Cain marry? If it was not
Eve or one of his sisters then it must have been another woman and
that means we are not ALL descended from just Adam and Eve!
..
bbc.co.uk
Chimpanzees 'hunt using spears'
Chimps sharpened the spears with their teeth
Chimpanzees in Senegal have been observed making and using wooden
spears to hunt other primates, according to a study in the journal
Current Biology.
Researchers documented 22 cases of chimps fashioning tools to jab at
smaller primates sheltering in cavities of hollow branches or tree
trunks.
The report's authors, Jill Pruetz and Paco Bertolani, said the finding
could have implications for human evolution.
Chimps had not been previously observed hunting other animals with
tools.
Mark K. Bilbo
Oh he's gone around the bend so many times, he's lapped himself...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each
other. They slander each other constantly with the vilest
forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of agreement
in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the
head of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect
little pigs of those it wins over to its side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
Jade hasn't said anything about this nym yet...
there's this patch of rougher cement in the basement of my century old house
that sure looks kinda creepy. say i wanted to investigate it
non-destructively, what would you suggest?
i was thinking of modifying a circuit similar to a "stud finder" circuit and
interfacing it to an a/d converter.
anybody got any better ideas.
>
> There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room
> was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big
> steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a
> nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor.
>
> Hatter
>
>
> Hatter
--
jade hasn't said anything about my new sig, either.
Rob "Mop Jockey" "Roberta" Wolfe
OFISHIAL Benevolent Dictator of AUK
HAotM, ConT, dw:OPP, ASPCA , HAND, FOAD
http://netkooks.org/ofishialbenevolentdictator/picture.jpg
<insert more imaginary titles here later>
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Kumar
I think, problem is in our attuened modernized thoughts. Probably, we
don't respect and care our ancesstors and their tellings, which may be
in indirect or in older language and which we are misunderstanding or
not translating suitably and so radiculing. Probably, science is shown
in other language for practical purpose enabling common mn to
understand. Showing earth as flat, in most respect, to comon
understandings, is most practical, still however ancient astrological
calculations are based on earth's real shape. It means older talented
people were knowing everything which we know now, even more, but
didn't told directly for practical purpose. Progress may support new
things on carry forwards basis not forgeting older and restarting
absolutely new.
Probably, Dr.Chung consider spritual tellings as healing mechanism and
an healer can perdict--whether new or old. It is not necessory that
predictor, whether forcasts etc. though scientific, are always comes
true. Probably, real most healings may lie in energetic healings.
Robibnikoff
> On Feb 22, 4:42 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
snip
>> Cool! When one of my SILs showed us their new house (prior to the major
>> renovation done by her husband), when I first saw the basement, I said
>> "Wow!
>> This looks like it came straight out of "The Blair Witch Project"!" :)
>
> Actually, I'm glad, overall, I didn't get the house that actually had
> some graves in the basement. I was rather surprised the homeowner
> pointed them out.
Whoa!
Sure it sounds cool, but people might get creeped
> out and not want to come over. Not to mention the difficulties
> involved if you want to renovate it/dig it out. I REALLY wanted the
> funeral home that was for sale a few doors down from where I did buy,
> but two banks were arguing over who has the deed. They finally split
> it back into two homes and the renovations RUINED it. It went from a
> dark grey castle to beige and light and airy. Some gay couple bought
> it back then and sold it recently for a 100K profit.
>
> There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room
> was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big
> steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a
> nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor.
Oh, how cool would THAT have been :)
Hatter
<j...@netkooks.org> wrote:
> Hatterwrote:
> <insert more imaginary titles here later>
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
The are earth sonogram machines for finding bodies, but I don't have
any idea how to get ahold of one
Hatter
Hatter
> "Hatter" <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> > There was so much to like about the original place, the embalming room
> > was the most perfect laundry room I've ever seen in a home. A big
> > steel table, cubbyholes in the wall, heavy duty electrical outlets, a
> > nice double sink, and a drain in the middle of the floor.
>
> Oh, how cool would THAT have been :)
> --
> Robyn
> Resident Witchypoo
> BAAWA Knight!
> #1557
It had the top of the line formstone, so good, people often mistook it
for real stone
It had stain glass windows with funeral urns and icanthus leaf as the
motif
Everything was super soundproofed
It had a library room with inbuilt shelves
The embalming/laundry room
A small kitchen where everything was in arms reach
A bar/reception room with cooler and butlers sink
It was dark and cool, very little light
a Weird Closet of normal width, but 8 feet deep, with cubbys at the
back.
Two seperate entrances in the front
An Enclosed private Patio behind the enbalming room
Full height basement with seperate street entrance.
7 bedrooms
The third floor was a TOTAL wreck, however.
It was being offered for 60K....I so hate that I didn't get it. I so
hate the yuppified rahab they did do to it.
Hatter
Art Deco
>convicted neighbor Haskell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/14974ef5841a9a1..
>> > > .
>> >
>> > This was not advice but instead a factual statement.
>> >
>> > > Personally, I would find such a pronouncement unsettling both
>> > > from a theological and a cardiological perspective.
>> >
>> > Truth is unsettling for the untruthful.
>>
>> They're the words of a 19th century voodoo priest, not a
>> 21st century medical professional.
>
>Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>http://redacted-kooklink
>
>May you wisely choose to surrender to HIM by publicly confessing with
>your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
>
>http://redacted-kooklink
>
>You may possibly only have until 03.03.07 to make this wise choice
>before the world as you know it is destroyed:
>
>"Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and
>repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you
>will not know at what time I will come to you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>(Revelation 03:03)
"may possibly" -- what weasel words.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!
> "may possibly" -- what weasel words.
>
> --
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Jesus.
> >
> > > No one who pratices medicine and does operations should when they
> > > think people die from alack of prayer
> >
> > Actually, sin is the reason for folks in this world dying.
>
> OK, until now, I thought you were amusing.
This is not the time for amusement.
> Now, you're plain repulsive. You mean that children, women, civilians
> who die in Iraq BECAUSE OF AMERICANS are dying because of their sins?
No.
As soon as sin entered into this world through Adam and Eve, this
world and its inhabitants have been accursed.
This was immediately evident when Cain slew Abel.
> Read this, bastard:
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
> I hope you soon die from a horrible disease that
> makes you suffer a lot.
Without the LORD, your hopes are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> We'll see if you prayers help you.
It is GOD, Who helps me.
It has been the intercessory prayers of the brethren of LORD Jesus
Christ that keep you from horrible disease that would rot your flesh
from your bones.
In my ever closer walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well
and ever hungrier (healthier) for HIS righteousness.
Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
All the signs are in place that HE is returning soon:
Yes, the New Yorker issue with this account of plans to bomb Iran will
be the 03.04.07 issue which is the day after the total lunar eclipse
of 03.03.07 when the moon will turn blood red possibly as per the
prophetic vision of Apostle John as given in Revelation 6.
Suggested reading:
Revelation 03:03 - 07
Gospel Bretts
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
Dr. Chung, listen man. You're a smart dude. You've got a high IQ. But
something happened in your life that caused you to become totally
whacked out. Trust me, dude. You really really need to see a shrink.
Please?
Demon Chunky Style
> This is not the time for amusement.
Don't sell yourself short, Andy -- your posts are VERY amusing.
I KILLED YOUR GOD---IT WAS FUN!
"Demon Chunky Style" <redja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1172377818.9...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 24, 11:07 pm, "Andrew B. Chung" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> This is not the time for amusement.
>
> Don't sell yourself short, Andy -- your posts are VERY amusing.
>